Official Thread - F-104 Starfighter

Post by **aferguson** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:09 pm

both natural metal f-104's pictured have white wings in fact. I wonder if there was a reason for that..?

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Tue Apr 19, 2005 6:35 pm

Interesting info on the F-104s in Viet Nam. I thought they only saw combat in some war between India and Pakistan in the '70s. In that conflict, the F-104 still wasn't all that great in close-quarters air-to-air combat on account of its tendency to stall (due to the small wing area) if it was put through too extreme of a manuver. It could make one heck of a dash to get out of danger, however!

The F-104's ineffectiveness in anything other than a high-speed interceptor role (or research testbed) coupled with its tricky handling characteristics are some of the reasons why I think it saw such a limited and short service with the USAF.

Although it is a great-looking and easily recognizable aircraft, I still feel that 21c should have made a jet that could better compliment its Viet Nam or Modern line.

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:24 am

centone wrote:(OT) Thinking about natural metal body planes made me remember that someone (Corey?) had tracked down some foil coating system for model airplanes and was planning to see how it worked on XD planes. Any update on how it worked out? I'd love to do a Mustang with something that really looks like metal.

I did that to my old flat P-51.
Looks ok. It would look nice if I had took more time with it.
I may do it again, on the F-104.
Now that will be sweet.

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:05 am

Does somebody have the web site for the flight metal? I need to get some for my balsa zero.

wise690 · Post by **wise690** » Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:28 pm

That is sad about the f-104 never shooting down a single aircraft in Vietnam. I still like the Vietnam scheme though, and will get one of each version.

Bruzzer · Post by **Bruzzer** » Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:50 pm

All this F104 talk had me look up an article I remember reading in International Air Power Review Vol 12.. There's a 9 page article on the Starfighter in Vietnam. Quite a few bare metal pics of its early deployment. Yes 1 did get shot down by a Chinese fighter. However they had a good reputation in ACM which is why they were sent to Vietnam.
From the article "If the Starfighter is judged against other US aircraft for its ability to sustain battle damage, to deliver heavy bomb loads or to conduct operations in bad weather, then the F104 rates as an 'also-ran'. If, however, the F104C is judged for its ability to deter MIGs, to ensure the safety of the aircraft entrusted to its escort or to out-perform any aircraft in existence at the time, the 'Zip-4' is unrivalled!"

It became my favorite jet after we were buzzed by a Luftwaffe 104 while I was stationed in Germany. One of the coolest things I've ever seen, low and fast.

Morian Miner · Post by **Morian Miner** » Thu Apr 28, 2005 7:22 am

Any word on who won these? Anyone from the board?

Post by **aferguson** » Wed May 11, 2005 10:09 am

F-104 contest winners have been announced. I am not one of them.

Adam Cuvillier
Derek Archey
Ron Neubauer
Carlos Soltero

75th Ranger · Post by **75th Ranger** » Wed May 11, 2005 11:44 am

Hello guys!
I guess the 75th Ranger is going to have a brand new F-104!

I'm one of the lucky winners!!!!

HOOAH!

RANGERS LEAD THE WAY!

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:00 pm

Congrats on your win and why only now tell us? I'm very glad to see that at least one of the winners is an active member of our discussion board. At least one will get into good hands and not wind up on ebay!

Post by **aferguson** » Wed May 11, 2005 12:41 pm

Congratulations Carlos! You lucky dog you. That's funny when i posted the list of winners it didn't dawn on me that one of them was you....i was too busy being sour that i hadn't won.

Enjoy your prize, buddy! Make sure you give us a preview review when it arrives.

normandy · Post by **normandy** » Thu May 12, 2005 3:24 am

Way to go 75th congratulations and I think Ron N. is AKA 9th waffen.

Post by **aferguson** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:33 am

Found a picture of a 1/18 German F-104 upcoming from 21c on Dirk's site.

http://www.warbirdmodelle.de/images/big/f-104_g-1.jpg

Look under 'Vorschau' on the left www.warbirdmodelle.de

Also, if you scroll down the home page, on the left you'll see:

Geplant im Maßstab 1:18:
ME-262,
Zero-Fighter,
F-86 Sabre,
MIG-15
Bf-110 (ab Anf. 2006)

Geplant means 'planned' or 'upcoming'. Notice the Zero fighter. Maybe Dirk knows something we don't?

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu May 12, 2005 6:16 am

I thought we knew bbi was doing a Zero. It's been noted a few times in different threads.

The S3 104 is by far the coolest....

Post by **aferguson** » Thu May 12, 2005 6:24 am

Nothing has ever been confirmed about a BBI Zero...it's pure speculation. Besides that list was all 21c aircraft..

digger · Post by **digger** » Thu May 12, 2005 7:00 am

I thought the list just says 1/18. And you can bet they're making a Zero, it's past speculation.

vmf214 · Post by **vmf214** » Thu May 12, 2005 4:28 pm

Are they still planning a Japanese SDF F-104

Post by **aferguson** » Thu May 12, 2005 5:31 pm

tmanthegreat · Post by **tmanthegreat** » Thu May 12, 2005 9:25 pm

vmf214 wrote:Are they still planning a Japanese SDF F-104

...and that one will be the first to be released and will show up at every Wal Mart, while the Silver and Cammo variants sell for small fortunes on ebay

vulgarvulture · Post by **vulgarvulture** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:04 am

I say let's bag this sticky for now (tired of looking at it).

Hopefully the 104 will show up soon and we can then re-activate the sticky to discuss how great the new release is.

pokeyjtc · Post by **pokeyjtc** » Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:40 pm

I second that motion

ParatrooperCarbine · Post by **ParatrooperCarbine** » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:19 am

http://www.figures.com/databases/action ... article=57

Post by **aferguson** » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:49 pm

must....have....Marinefleiger....Starfighter.

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Official Thread - F-104 Starfighter

I'm one of them!

Upcoming 1/18

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Found this pic of the F-104